Vajpayee — Nehruvian in domestic politics, yes, but also strategically foolish

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[The Dalai Lama and Vajpayee, PM)

Amidst the paens of praise and hossanas being sung to honour the memory of the recently departed former Prime Minister, Atal Bihari Vajpayee, it may be churlish to bring up the wrong things done during his time at 7, Race Course Road, especially in the foreign-cum-national security policy fields.

That Vajpayee needs to be justly admired for his Nehruvian grace and forbearance of the political opposition, and in particular his political instincts to do the right thing at the right time to avert crises that his coalition government of disparate ideological elements in the country (including the cantankerous Mamata Bannerji) was prone to, is a political commodity of immeasurable value. But that said, it must also be candidly admitted that he tried too hard too become the Prime Minister Jawaharlal had hoped he’d become in terms of hewing a little too close to Nehru’s external follies — chief among these being  China given much too much rope to hang India with. Indeed, no greater damage was done the country’s “permanent” national interest than his decision during his 2003 state visit to formally recognize the Tibetan Autonomous Region (TAR) as an inalienable part of China in exchange for, get this, Beijing’s acknowledging Sikkim as part of India! (The always clever Chinese put one over the Indian Foreign Service genuises, with Brajesh Mishra, Vajpayee’s National Security Adviser and also Principal Private Secretary and, for all intents and purposes related to the functioning of the Indian government — the unelected, de facto prime minister, in the van.

To make matters worse, while the mention of Delhi’s acceptance of TAR as inalienably Chinese was straightforward in the joint communique issued at the end of the Indian PM’s state visit, Beijing’s  supposed “concession” on Sikkim was ambiguous at best. This was diplomatic surrender subsequently dressed up as a foreign policy coup! It left the Dalai Lama ever since twisting slowly in the political winds rifling through the Sino-Indian relations, and India without its prime diplomatic leverage. The Dalai Lama’s strategic utility was thus willfully zeroed out once the status of TAR was so shortsightedly stamped. It helped India’s ‘Tibet card’ go up in smoke.

Whatever Brajesh Mishra’s machinations, why did Vajpayee agree to this dastardly act? To improve the prospects of warm ties with China — a country that swears by India’s adversarial position. How is such levels of Vajpayee’s strategic foolishness and gullibility different than Nehru’s bending over backwards to lift China’s status, promote it as a power in the 1950s at India’s expense. Nehru was convinced that China would behave responsibly if only it was accorded all the rights and privileges of great power, whence he handed over the permanent seat in the UN Security Council offered India (to replace Generalissimo Changkaishek’s Taiwan) by both the US and USSR to Mao’s China instead. It was the first instance of national self-abnegation that has since become Delhi’s policy norm. It was an example of astonishing foreign policy generosity that Mao — ever the arch realist, reacted to by calling Nehru an “imperialist running dog”! China has never looked back, and India has not moved forward strategically from that point.

Now consider the equally problematic courting of the US at any cost that served as Vajpayee’s policy. It resulted in the Next Step in Strategic Partnership (NSSP) that paved the way, in a short period of time, to the 2008 India-US civilian nuclear cooperation deal that Manmohan Singh, who otherwise had no great foreign policy successes to his credit, insisted upon even as Sonia Gandhi, his political master and regime driver, was less convinced about its merits. But Manmohan made it a prestige issue and Mrs Gandhi held out for as long as she could without compelling her man to lay down his “mukhota” role and terminate the Congress government. Being out of power was apparently too high a price for Sonia to pay. The NSSP then was the decisive breakthrough that America desired and obtained, and which led in slow stages to the overt US tilt of Narendra Modi’s foreign policy 20 years later.

The question to ponder is, how come Vajpayee so readily accepted Brajesh Mishra’s pushing this line of India’s needing to make peace with the US on Washington’s terms? Especially when, it may be recalled, that in May 1998 Vajpayee’s attempt in a secret letter to US President Bill Clinton to justify India’s nuclear test explosions as a means of acquiring the “absolute” weapon and deterring China, was promptly leaked by the Clinton White House to the Chinese and the New York Times. So much for a trustworthy America. In that letter to Clinton, Vajpayee reiterated his moratorium decision, and in essence sealed the future of the Indian nuclear arsenal as a half-cocked deterrent.

Vajpayee met once formally with the National Security Advisory Board of which I was member in end-1998 and chiefly distinguished himself with his trademark pause and pause some more before mumbling some banality or the other (that I can’t for the life of me remember). I met with the PM in a passing sort of way on two other occasions at his Race Course residence, once I clearly recall, for the launch of DP Mishra’s biography, or collection of speeches or something equally unmemorable. (The former Congress Madhya Pradesh chief minister DP Mishra was, of course, Brajesh’s father). On no occasion did Vajpayee do other than confirm he had no deep insight into anything remotely foreign. Indeed, as relayed in my 2002 750-page tome ‘Nuclear Weapons and Indian Security’, Vajpayee almost seemed a sap for any one who was advising him at the moment.

During his days as external affairs minister in the Morarji Desai regime, for example, he was advised by the US ambassador Robert Goheen no less, and almost gave away the whole store by agreeing to sign the 1968 non-proliferation treaty as a non-nuclear weapon state. He was prevented from going ahead with this policy of devastating self-inflicted damage only because of an MEA secretary, MA Vellodi, who with some inspired bureaucratic runarounds and flim-flammery that has been insufficiently appreciated by the nation to-date, held off his minister until PM Morarji in a fit of hard-headedness for a change nixed it altogether!

This is the point I am making: How can Vajpayee be seen as other than a foreign and national security policy liability when he could so easily be influenced by his adviser(s) of choice? Such a doubtful record as Vajpayee’s has, it turns out, a simple enough explanation.  Vajpayee was intellectually lazy, did not seriously apply his mind, and gave Brajesh Mishra and that advisory caboodle too much freedom and leeway to set the policy course, chart out particular policy details and he did not really care about the costs to the country of ill-advised initiatives put up for his consideration. (In my writings, I have delved into how seriously Brajesh Mishra damaged India’s national interest.)

This state of affairs was buttressed by Vajpayee’s near complete lack of insight into, and interest in, global power politics — a lacunae undergirded by surprising innocence of anything remotely strategic. (Why else would he cutoff testing at six tests — one of them the failed thermonuclear test explosion and then be convinced that India was now a thermonuclear weapons power that thereafter needed to do nothing more with regard to testing?) And why did the PM not have confidence that his own undoubted talent for political  management at home could be transferred to international affairs, and that he had to rely on so-called “professionals” such as the IFS-er, Brajesh Mishra?

This is to say that however one slices the foreign and military policy record Vajpayee comes up short. In the event, performance ought to be the metric to judge his prime ministership rather than his obvious and notable talent for “feel good” folksiness and poesy.

About Bharat Karnad

Senior Fellow in National Security Studies at the Centre for Policy Research, New Delhi, he was Member of the (1st) National Security Advisory Board and the Nuclear Doctrine-drafting Group, and author, among other books of, 'Nuclear Weapons and Indian Security: The Realist Foundations of Strategy', 'India's Nuclear Policy' and most recently, 'Why India is Not a Great Power (Yet)'. Educated at the University of California (undergrad and grad), he was Visiting Scholar at Princeton University, University of Pennsylvania, the Shanghai Institutes of International Studies, and Henry L. Stimson Center, Washington, DC.
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15 Responses to Vajpayee — Nehruvian in domestic politics, yes, but also strategically foolish

  1. San Mann says:

    Mr Karnad,
    Please tell us your assessment of the Independence Day announcement calling for an Indian manned spaceflight by 2022. Firstly, do you feel it’s achievable within the specified timeframe? Has the PMO done their homework? Nextly, do you feel it’s a long overdue step forward, or do you think it’s a wasteful expenditure which may adversely impact timetables and roadmaps for existing technology projects at ISRO? For instance, some are complaining that the Gaganyaan mission may push back the development of important technologies like semi-cryogenic (kerosene-oxygen) engines. Some are claiming that this is a misguided and costly attempt to convert India’s space program into a tool for ‘soft power’ (as if ‘soft power’ in itself is a bad thing). Others say that this mission and the associated boost in funding will give ISRO a much-needed shot in the arm, while also providing an opportunity for public-private industrial collaboration which will create huge spinoffs for the private sector and boost ‘Make in India’. What are the overall pro’s and cons of this decision, sir?

    • To me this seems an election ploy rather than a (John) Kennedy-esque 1960 promise to have a man on the moon inside of a decade, which was realized with Neil Armstrong stepping on to the lunar surface in the Summer of 1969. Not sure ISRO has all the technical wherewithal and the training setup for not just a manned space probe but an actual moon landing. And, yes, I fear such a prestige project will divert funds from more important S&R programmes desperately needing financial support.

      • San Mann says:

        Fair enough, sir. While the question of a moonshot doesn’t arise in this decision, the issue of the “white elephant” program that hogs all resources away from various other useful projects may mean that a lot of unrelated development comes to a standstill. What’s your opinion of the whole public-private collaboration song that ISRO has been singing lately? Can it meet the needs, or is it likely to run into the weeds?

  2. Vishnugupt says:

    @ Prof. Karnad.
    “In my writings, I have delved into how seriously Brajesh Mishra damaged India’s national interest.”
    Which book of yours has this?

    • For a critical view of Vajpayee’s(-qua-Brajesh Mishra’s) policies, see my ‘Nuclear Weapons and Indian Security’, 2nd ed (2005), ‘Indian Nuclear Policy’ (2008), my writings opposing the Nuclear Deal compiled along with articles by the Trombay stalwarts — Drs. PK Iyengar, AN Prasad, and A Gopalakrishnan in ‘Strategic Sellout’ (2009) and, my late-2015 book ‘Why India is Not a Great Power (Yet)’.

  3. Shankara says:

    Our nations past mistakes have always been haunting us.

    We are a nation that has never learned from past

    We keep repeating historical blunders our selves

    Only God can save India

    Indians need to think beyond 2 political parties
    Caste religion state language and start
    Questioning polcies of government and force politcians to take action

    Don’t know when this countrys public will come to sense

    Our God can save India

  4. AD says:

    @BharatKarnad

    Vajpayee was just another successful politician in the “Indian” mould, in that he was folksy and inoffensive. He never read enough history, thought through his actions through or selected people whose loyalties were with India as opposed to whoever was depositing money into their overseas accounts. Maybe he had some cognitive issues caused by pre-dementia in his last term as prime minister? We talk about the effect of early dementia on Ronald Regan’s second term as president, but almost nothing about whether something similar happened with Vajpayee between 1998 and 2003.

    If I remember correctly, he was OK with sending Indian troops into Iraq in 2003. As you also pointed out, he was a bit too eager to “normalize” relations with USA after nuclear tests in 1998. In my opinion, he was a man with poor strategic vision, no sense of history and too willing to “listen” to whites. To put it another way, he was like every other Indian leader who failed against Muslim invasions, British colonization and then bent over to almost anything the “west” wanted after 1947. Maybe the reasons India keeps on having such leaders might have something to do with deep-seated religio-cultural mores.

    @Shankara

    Any country with India’s’ size, natural and human resources would have become a major global power many decades ago- even if that been been colonized during the 18th and 19th centuries. But what do we see instead .. a country run by ahistorical simpletons and greedy traitors which somehow cannot mine enough coal though it has the 4th largest reserves in the world and has a mediocre manufacturing sector in spite of having tons of engineers and hardworking people. You know.. it takes a special genius to fail at something one should be good at.

    India still has poor literacy rates compared to other countries who emerged from colonialism at same time, a higher education system mentally stuck in the 1950s (or earlier), poor infrastructure for providing clean drinking water and sewage treatment in spite of having millions who would be happy to design and build them (if paid on time). It is as if they are trying very hard to negate all their god-given advantages and abilities so they can once again live a wretched existence as the colony of some other nation or people.

    • Vishnugupt says:

      @ AD Your relentless and rater conspicuous quest to blame Hinduism for the incompetence of the leaders of medieval and modern India is deceitful, vindictive and lacks ratiocination to put it mildly.

      Remember Vishnugupt aka Chanakya Niti, Ashok,Shivaji,The Cholas? How come they had “fire” in their bellies, despite being Hindus? Was the concept of “Vasudaiva Kutumbakam” unknown back then? No.

      The answer is, these guys knew exactly what Hinduism is all about and knew what it preaches and more importantly knew what it do not preach, which is “misplaced morality” towards enemies, unlike the fake “Pandits” who ruled and are ruling modern India, who misquote it to hide their strategic myopia.

      The fact that the above mentioned rulers like Ashoka,Cholas etc had such high ambitions despite India being a bountiful land makes one think, what they would have done had Indian been a desert or a barren land like Arabia & Central Asia.

      Like the saying goes necessity is the mother of invention, the lust for other man’s “wealth and woman” underpins the need for someone to go on a conquest. The ones who had this lust made a name for themselves.

      If you have any understanding of warfare if hope i don’t have to explain why the “defending” kingdoms are always at a disadvantage compared to the “attacking” ones.

      This is the law of warfare, much like the laws of physics.

      And we have always been a defending empire. This is our Achilles heel. PEROID

      • AD says:

        @Vishnugupt

        Let me put it this way.. a significant percentage of problems which India has faced in past and faces today are inextricably linked to the still widespread belief in varna and jati system. And yes, belief in those systems is a part of what we today know as Hinduism. I could write entire books on how much this belief has damaged the prospects of Indian society over many centuries, but we don’t have time for that right now. So here are a few quick examples of what I am talking about..

        Why was it so easy for Muslim invaders to conquer and rule over Indian kingdoms in medieval times? Why did they seldom face any organised and persistent resistance from local populace? Ever considered that varna and jati had fractured Indian society so thoroughly that most Indians were as antagonistic to each other as they were to invaders? Why had the use of longbow archers (the best non-cavalry weapon against cavalry) in Indian armies declined to almost nothing by 10th century AD? Could it have something to do with the jati of those who knew how to use them? Why did the crossbow never catch on in medieval India? Maybe nobody wanted to risk starting a new jati to make them?

        Why were Indians so reluctant to learn use of, or be associated with, weapons such as guns and cannons? Why did Indian kings usually employ Muslims and Europeans to run their artillery? Did it have something to do with wanting to maintain ritual purity? Find out how saltpeter was made before the 1830s, and you will understand what I am talking about. Why were they unwilling to build large European style sailing ships (even for defense) in 17th century when they had the raw materials and tons of craftsman? Something about maintaining ritual purity (crossing seas) and not wanting to start new professions?

        Skipping over to present.. why do so many obsess about symbolism (meetings, photo-ops, empty talking, slogans) rather than actually getting things done? why are most political and social conflicts, even today, based in utterly ridiculous concepts such as varna and jati? Why are skilled laborers still paid poorly compared to entry-level desk workers? Why is being a skilled machinist, electrician, plumber, heavy machinery operator etc seen in such a negative light, even today? We could certainly use more skilled people who can work with their hands.

        On a more optimistic note, many of the issues listed above are slowly resolving themselves today as fewer and fewer people care about varna and jati. Well.. at least nowhere near the level their parents and grandparents did. Let us hope this positive trend accelerates and both those ridiculous and toxic concepts are soon consigned to the dustbin of history.

    • Vishnugupt says:

      @ AD nobody is justifying jati/caste here, of course it has all the evils that you talk about and much more.

      The point here i am making is, Jaati is not the foundation on which Hinduism stands, but i do accept that it has taken over the religion.

      Varna, unlike Jaati does not discriminate people based on their birth, but through their intellect and accomplishments.

      Even if you look at modern society, highly learned/accomplished people are respected more than lesser learned/less accomplished ones. This was the idea behind the Varna system. But jaati is pure evil, no doubt.

      “Why was it so easy for Muslim invaders to conquer and rule over Indian kingdoms in medieval times” This is not at all true. Prthiviraj Chauhan’s war with Mohammed Ghori is well known, had he not forgiven that swine after defeating him, the advent of Islam to India would have easily been delayed for centuries.

      This is the precise problem of Hindus, we forgive those who want to destroy us( apply this mentality to India’s dealing with Pakistan and China) And make no mistake, Hinduism never preached it followers to bow down to their enemies whims.

      And Hindus have done this is due to their”misplaced morality”, which comes due to the lack of proper understanding of Hinduism amongst Hindus, specially amongst the petty politicians ruling India.

      On your point on Mislims being the gods of war.

      Why do you think the all mighty Mughals and other Muslim empires feel like a house of cards in front of the British? What stopped the great Mughals to be at par technologically with the British? Suddenly, everyone lost the “fire” in their bellies?

      “Why are skilled laborers still paid poorly compared to entry-level desk workers?”

      Seriously?

      What makes you think this is a religious issue? INDIA IS A SOCIALIST nation my friend and under this WRETCHED system sweepers,doctors and rocket scientists are “supposed” to be paid equally.
      Now if Indian socialist leaders decided to pay rocket scientists and doctors at the level of sweepers, who’s fault is that?

      I remember answering to you in one of the older blog as to why Indian leaders behave the way they do.

  5. ~!@#$%^&*()_+ says:

    (1) Whatsapp groups these days has gotten an old story circulated. A pakistani woman proposed to marry Vajpayee if he gave her Kashmir in Mehr. And Vajpayee asked for all of Pakistan in Dahej/Dowry.

    (2) Vajpayee did Pokharan tests / Shakti nuclear tests.

    Above are statements of fact only.

  6. Kya says:

    Your quote ” to formally recognize the Tibetan Autonomous Region (TAR) as an inalienable part of China ”
    Is not right.
    It was rajiv gandhi who was forced by anglophiles in India to woo china and thus recigbise tibet as china’s in november 1988.
    Behibd that camoaign was a sikh chairman of ranbaxi who had been american agebt ans was pushing for pro china stance at tge time.
    All because angliamericans were pro china at the time to harass Russia!

    • Kya says:

      In the whole decade of 80s while usa was using China against russia it was usa and her stooge inside India who were forcing Indian govt. Of Rajiv Gandhi To be very friendly to China and be distant to Russia; So much so that they forced Rajiv Gandhi to accept Tibet as part of China in autumn 1988.
      So much for American propaganda now to make enmity between India and China because they want India to be American pasty to fight against china and fritter away the military and economic power of both Asian countries so that anglosaxon hegemony remains as parasite on the world.
      ******
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      During the 1971 War, China didn’t even move a truck despite US Secretary of State Henry Kissinger’s repeated requests to launch some kind of attack on India. The Chinese sat on the sidelines mutely watching India humiliate their client.Even during the Kargil war when India was hammering the pakistanis there was not a peep out of Biejing.

      China should not get trapped by the Anglo American plot. The enemies of China know that China give undue imporimportance to symbol -so so called one China policy is weakest link in China. Because that unnerved China that Taiwan be recognised by other states when reality is that Taiwan is still not a physical part of China so China would be foolish to get agitated by western bait to enrage China by threatening to recognise Taiwan.that state is already a separate state as a fact now.
      West can not make it more separate .China would be foolish to get agitated about Taiwan. China must rearm herself heavily and when time comes must attack the west along with Russia and iran to sort out those intruders into Asia.

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      America realised that if Russia China and India get together then they can counter anglosaxon bullying of 5 evil eyes.
      So American agents inside India from the time of traitor mm singh were induced to lie about China and made many constant derogatory writings about China to Viviane the atmosphere.they have succeeded.
      Indians out of jealousy want to destroy China and want to live happily ever after I see Anglo American slavery.they like not Asian friend but a white man as tyrant

      _________________________
      China should be wars of treacherous Russia who will jump into usa bed even if it means betraying her allies like iran and Syria China.
      China should be wars of India too which really has become an American vassal ( one amongst 100) and has been invited by Anglo American to open another front against China.
      My country India is in grip of traitors ever since that ugly sardar mm singh was installed as PM despite him not winning a single seat _not even for himself.
      Such is the democracy in India where a man could be pm for ten years despite having been rejected by the electorate in the general election. ! This fraudulent democracy was sustained by the corrupt connivance of English league media in India.
      So beware of this name “democracy” it is a pimpocracy for the oligarchy everywhere.
      _____”””””—–‘-”'””‘”‘”‘”-“-“-‘-“‘”-“‘”-“-“‘”-“‘””

      China

      Quote -”

      China had the world’s greatest navy, with an estimated 317 ships – constructed at Nanjing. These ships were made with special woods and waterproofing techniques, and they had an adjustable centerboard keel. Some of the ships were 440 feet long and 180 feet wide, ships with four to nine masts that were as high as ninety feet, with silk sails and with crews that numbered as many as five hundred.

      But in China interest in a great navy and merchant shipping was overshadowed by concern about military defenses on land. Attempts to control Annam failed and were expensive. In the mid-1400s the Mongols were making border raids and appeared to the Chinese as a greater threat. Also, Confucian influence had increased at court. Confucian scholars were filling the ranks of senior officialdom and remained hostile to commerce and foreign contacts. The Confucianists had little or no interest in seeing China develop into a great maritime trading power. The Confucianists saw internal trade as enough. The government ended its sponsorship of naval expeditions, and, in the spirit of isolationism, the government forbade multi-masted ships sailing out of port.”

      —–
      “Brahmins were much like the Confucians in their opposition to trade, the Brahmins making involvement in foreign trade, as well as farming and overseas travel, forbidden to their class. Generally, religious contemplation was esteemed while people with power had little interest in improving conditions for the merchant or in improving technology.”

  7. Kya says:

    What I write about coward atal bihari.vajpayee.
    November 1998.

    The very day Indian Prime minister was telling to a rally that partrial lifting of u.s. sanctions was an indication that america and other countries are realizing and understanding India’s position , america imposed fresh sanctions against India. The very day Atal bihari Vajpaye was speaking of america’s understanding of India’s concern against terrorism(after math of american strike against Taliban group);soon america was helping pakistan.The very week that america was telling ,without agenda,India to not only abandon nuclear weopon and allow american inspectors to check on India’s nuclear plants(ala iraq) -the same week america gave to britain cruise missiles capable of being launched from ships-hence a weopon of aggression. That delivery of cruse missile was greeted with pride and jubiliation in america and britain-the two countries pushing and harassing others most for total disarmment. Who are the Indian leaderes cheating if not Indians and themselves. Do they not realize that Kasmir problem and previos Punjab problem has been orchestrated by america and britain in collaboration with Pakistan? Ofcourse america actively supports terrorism against india and many other countries. It is Indias’ fault if she does not realize it and take active step against american and british interest in India. It is all the more imperative that India must develop nuclear weopon able to be delivered at least 20 thousand kilometers.As for globalization. Then can these English suckers(all english newspapers and anglo-american agaents) explain why japan and east asian countreis who produce more than america and england(who are traders in protected markets only)
    has gone down in stock market when american and english stock markets have boomed since end of gulf war? If bombay market is supposed to respond to internation trend then why are english and american markets booming in face of world wide recession? Or is not there inverse relarionship between prosperity of anglosaxon(america and england) countries and the rest of the World as it would be if one recognizes exploitative and destructive influence of anglosaxon race on the whole of World and not only on thirld world?After gulf war the english and america economy,esp. Stock market boomed because this parasitic anglosaxon race got convinced that no matter what it does ,nobody is going to say or do anything thanks to english propaganda machinery. can one explain how this u.s.and england want a change in head of government in Irak (Saddam hussein nad Malasian Prime minister understand anglosaxon race very well) when the same anglosaxon race was pushing for mad Boris yeltins to bombard Russian parliament,call for hastily made constitution changes(with out discussion and only to give absolute power to one man-a man who was and is anglosaxon stooge)in a referendem-that too hastily called.
    _ Why is India so keen to sign rubbish discriminating treaty?_

    Before the govt. of india and the self respect lacking elite of
    India start any seroious discussion with anybody(more so with india’s enemy
    like u.s.a.)on nuclear treaty ,it must declare what it has in mind and
    ask for peoples’ mandate in way of refrendrum.After all in u.s.a. the presidents have been elected on hawkish pro-nuclear
    programme and even a third rate country like u.k. had elected three times her prime minister
    on pro-nuclear issue. These same west nations preach others to be pacifists. If it was good enough
    for them then it is good enough for India to ask her people directly on such a matter of national security.
    Foreign policy is not done on basis of personal friendship.Who is this Jaswant singh to talk about our nuclear disarmament?
    Those who talk of economic benefit are eluding themselves.America want to unarm India and others
    exactly so that it can impose his exploitative(anglo-saxon and not western)economy.In that model of
    anglo-saxon econmy lies this basic principle-Support your own profit(swadeshi) and take from other countries the
    goods at minimum price.That is why they support theier own rotten ,viral infecxted beef(with no self of foreign meat);
    not buy Japenese cars unless manufactured in their country. That is also why imf is very keen to devalue others currency so that these anglosaxpons country can buy foreign goods cheap and pay little for it.
    Todays’ world is full of economic ruins by those who kissed the poisoned hands of america and u.k.Remember India did have very healthy trade
    balance with west before colonization not by selling much but by selling at high price.So signing nuclear treaty against Indian interest
    would for ever enslave India to tose countries like usa and u.k. who have always been anti-india. Not that they like pakistan or for that matter any europen country
    . This is all anglo-american plot to take over the world. Unless India and others realize it and act accordingly, they are in for long duration of slavery.
    This not an alarmist scenerio, it is the real picture and Indians are kidding themselves if they
    think india has a single friend unless herself.Do you so relationship to
    even your cousins if they are powerless and thus poor? We ar not even their cousin.
    People of India must demand refrendum on this secretive treacherous talk.
    Does Atal bihari vajpaye not realize that by self freezing on nuclear test and annoncement of willingness to sign a treaty(on which Idias’ opinion was not sought) He is falling into hands of anglosaxon race(not western)? That is how that shopkeepers race works. It first spreads a wide net then tightens it. Look at gulf war thing. At the first resolution against Irak if amerca had played hand open by saying that it would still be bullying Irak 8 years after gulf war would it have got the u.n. vote then in 90? heir modus operandi is to dis arm the other countries and put them in debt so that america and england can rule unopposed and can insult and bully other countries. Very few people realize that insulting and bullying others give an immense pleasure to these shopkeepers race-anglosaxons.That ,besides domination and economic exploitation is a major behaviour pathology in this low race.

    Why is india talking to America about nuclear issue and missiles technology? And ,why this jaswant singh,a man of no following in the masses and a man of known pro-american leaning is talking to relatively junior minister of u.S.A. about the fate of India? India must have given strong signal,soon after Pokhran, that india has right to all the arms including nuclear to defend against enemies. And that She deserves as much deterence as anybody else.Instead iShe said that she be declared nuclear weopon state and the matter ends there. By doing that She lost the moral high posture of saying that c.t.b.t. should not be signed by any third world country. Then iIndia should have asked as to who is the u.s.a.,in what capacity, to be talked about on nuclear issue? A country which used the bomb has got no right to talk about giving lecture to others.But
    India ,being a nation of cowards succembed immediately to american pressure and sais she would not do further tests and will sign eventually the discriminatory,and very inmical to thirld world, the rubbish treaty in the drawing of which India has no say. Then talk about economic sanctions.First it is not hurting, secondly sanction should be welcomed as a means to boycott American and british products . India knows that economic dependence ,and so called globalization is limiting her manoverability in soverinity but still persists in talkig of its virtue.India was once in globlization era-between 1750 and 1947. dURING THAT PERIOD iNDIA WAS REDUCED FROM ONE OF THE RICHEST 5 COUNTRIES IN THE WORLD TO ONE OF THE POOREST. The shopkeepers race called english grew opium in paddy field of India to export to China where the chinese had to part with tea and know how of crockery in place of forced opium addiction. The same thing is happening in eastern Europe where british companies are forceibly making addiction of cigarettes, alcohol and their rubbish products to hungry population who have to pay for these by doing prostitution and pornography. And ugly british man of even old age acan today hope to get a dozen of good looking girls in Easten Europe on small gifts and make them prostitute. This has all happened in last 10 years because these parasites,Americans and british- in other words shopkeepers anglosaxon race has got now no fear of any nation because others do not have military deterence. By having effective nuclear deterrence and missile technology-suffieint to strike at the heart of england and america India can have the any independent sovernity and exitence. It is not a choice, it is imperative.India does not even need to need that; having the capacity and willingness to srike would be deterence enough against the terror which Baghdad is facing now. In fact in order to deter america effectively, any nation can do it effectively withot ever the need of hitting america-it is sufficient to hit at the heart of England -to hurt it seriously; because America foreign and defence policy is for the benefit only of england and anglosaxon race3 and no body else not even so called ethnic white americans and black americams(majotity of population). If you do not belive it look at how much england has dared ,under american shadow, to bully other countries in last 10 yers and how much british economy is booming after destruction of Irak, and East asian countries. Also look at haw much british economy is depedent on protectionism(after preaching otherwise to other countries) so much so even rotten british beef was selling more than ever with no soption given on shelves of shops to buy beefs from other countries. Globaliztion is the propaganda word ,pushed by i.m.f.(created to help britain by america)to spread reemergence of british empire. The new world order will not be american empire it will be Anglo-american empire with major say of britain. Here India and other thirld world country are the stupid fools who had been there before but did not recognize the clear signal-loud and clear. India thinks and talks more of secularism than of protecting the state. And the state will be gone,within 10 to 15 years if things continue as the Indian politicians are doing now. Then India will be officially declared a slave country and the muslims in India who have had priviledged position upto now, will be as much sufferer as the Hindoos who incidently would not mind slavery as they have never been ruling type.Therefore nnot only India need to not talk to america and britain(which really contrils american policy) but also must have the capacity and will,if need be, to strike at the heart of these two enemie countries. Only does not need to be agressor but must have capacity and desire to srike against aggression.

    For all those who talk of globalization and protection of intellectual property right, a small news which was never in prominent place in any of english speaking papers or news but was very much reported in French media. In the last weeks of October 98 was reported in French papers that 4 different French members of European Parliament were going to raise the question of industrial espionage of some 100 each of French and German companies by england in collaboration with u.s.a. and other anglo-saxon countries like Autralia and new zealand. In other words they same countries who made a lot of hue and cry over Indias nuclear test and who are the ones pushing for intellectual property rights and globalization. Thier modus operandi? Checking all satellite bases communication(telephone, fax, internet,etc)with help of klistening devices in anglosaxon countries and spying ao all the talks and messages all over world.This illegal activity is cordinated in england. European countries are loosins billions of dollars each years through leak of confidential techiqe and discovery. Apart form the fact that for tea,china, spices and plants this thief country england never paid anything for others’ intellectual property right(why does royal doulton or british tea company not pay royalty to China?) this thief country england has done theft of German technology like urea making ang consequently ammunition making. In fact Standarsd oil company of america made a lot of theft of BAAs. a Germany company and many of the bombs which fell on Germany came from german tech. stolen by anglosaxon thieves england and america. That is not counting stolen from germans the tech. to make nuclear bomb and rockets. With these stolen technology has this anglo-american race been able to bully the rest of the world. And it wants to freeze the DIFFERENCE between it and other races in stone-for ever so that it can rule others unhindered. By the same mechanism it destroyed japanes and other Asian econmis. That is why India and others need very badly neclear deterence against enemies of the rest of the world.And the rest of world wants to break from ythier cluthes but has no courage because most of thirld world is governed by the likes of traitors like manmohan singh and Ahulliavala and spineless people like Jaswant Singh and Gujral and Atal bihari Vajpaye types

  8. Kya says:

    once the majority of the people in any nation is prepared to give up their own culture and language (it is quite shocking to actually come to the realisation that thisis happening, but it hasalready progressed very far), that nation has simply lost any motivation to resist anything that is imposed upon them by the “higher ideal”, which is a corporatised super state with business as a religion and a wise leader which will impose rules and direct everything from above – sound familiar? History repeats itself because of what is inside THE PEOPLE, or put differently -because of what is lacking inside. This is a spiritual matter and basically comes down to “selling your sould” – and this is happening not only on an individual level – nations are selling their soul for the common destiny of The Project._

    JUne 1998.

    Why is India so keen to sign rubbish discriminating treaty?_

    Before the govt. of india and the self respect lacking elite of
    India start any seroious discussion with anybody(more so with india’s enemy
    like u.s.a.)on nuclear treaty ,it must declare what it has in mind and
    ask for peoples’ mandate in way of refrendrum.After all in u.s.a. the presidents have been elected on hawkish pro-nuclear
    programme and even a third rate country like u.k. had elected three times her prime minister
    on pro-nuclear issue. These same west nations preach others to be pacifists. If it was good enough
    for them then it is good enough for India to ask her people directly on such a matter of national security.
    Foreign policy is not done on basis of personal friendship.Who is this Jaswant singh to talk about our nuclear disarmament?
    Those who talk of economic benefit are eluding themselves.America want to unarm India and others
    exactly so that it can impose his exploitative(anglo-saxon and not western)economy.In that model of
    anglo-saxon econmy lies this basic principle-Support your own profit(swadeshi) and take from other countries the
    goods at minimum price.That is why they support theier own rotten ,viral infecxted beef(with no self of foreign meat);
    not buy Japenese cars unless manufactured in their country. That is also why imf is very keen to devalue others currency so that these anglosaxpons country can buy foreign goods cheap and pay little for it.
    Todays’ world is full of economic ruins by those who kissed the poisoned hands of america and u.k.Remember India did have very healthy trade
    balance with west before colonization not by selling much but by selling at high price.So signing nuclear treaty against Indian interest
    would for ever enslave India to tose countries like usa and u.k. who have always been anti-india. Not that they like pakistan or for that matter any europen country
    . This is all anglo-american plot to take over the world. Unless India and others realize it and act accordingly, they are in for long duration of slavery.
    This not an alarmist scenerio, it is the real picture and Indians are kidding themselves if they
    think india has a single friend unless herself.Do you so relationship to
    even your cousins if they are powerless and thus poor? We ar not even their cousin.
    People of India must demand refrendum on this secretive treacherous talk.

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