Future of Indo-US strategic ties

Rajya Sabha TV programme — Security Scan — panel discussion with Meera Shankar, fmr Ambassador to the US, Major General Shashi Asthana (Retd), and myself, broadcast 10PM September 28, 2017.

About Bharat Karnad

Senior Fellow in National Security Studies at the Centre for Policy Research, New Delhi, he was Member of the (1st) National Security Advisory Board and the Nuclear Doctrine-drafting Group, and author, among other books of, 'Nuclear Weapons and Indian Security: The Realist Foundations of Strategy', 'India's Nuclear Policy' and most recently, 'Why India is Not a Great Power (Yet)'. Educated at the University of California (undergrad and grad), he was Visiting Scholar at Princeton University, University of Pennsylvania, the Shanghai Institutes of International Studies, and Henry L. Stimson Center, Washington, DC.
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13 Responses to Future of Indo-US strategic ties

  1. Kya says:

    India wants to luve in delusion and anglosaxon pirates are expert in deceiving others by showing them dream.

    the purpose of US arms and equipment is at best, to fight men in sandals who are outgunned 1000 to 1. At worst, it is of course to enrich the Nuland/Knudlemann Kagans and Bushes who have enriched themselves like ticks in the arms trade.

    In short, as we saw with the 100 missile Shock and Awe against Syria – US weapons do not work and are not really intended to work anymore. That they ‘worked’ in Iraq where the US had months to prepare against the Iraqi victims who were without air defense or allies and outnumbered and outgunned 1000 to 1, is just in the nature of USA’s massacres.

  2. Kya says:

    25/ 9/ 2017.

    Angloamericans or anglo devious empire of deceit only do regime changes using social psychology manipulation of brown people to persuade them to harm other brown folks. then they tell the world that they are the bravest, most honorable, most honest , spreader of fake equality, fake justice, fake freedom like native americans have, freed black slaves have, hiroshima nagasaki have, 3 million dead vietnamese have, millions of dead koreans have, and iraqis afghanis, and soon venezuelans!

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  3. Kya says:

    North korea facts

    Some interesting points:

    The Korean state is 3250 years old.
    They had book printing 320 years before Gutenberg.
    Luxury jeeps on the streets of Pyongyang suggest the country is not as poor as people say.
    Info about and footage of Kim’s pretty, pop-star wife
    Russian population centers of Vladivostok and Hassan are a few miles away – if war comes to N. Korea, particularly nuclear war, it will be a disaster for Russia too.
    North and South Koreans think of themselves as one nation, one race, and both are fiercely nationalistic and look down on other races. The two countries are much closer emotionally than people in the West realize. Foreigners are enemies in North and South alike.
    N. Korea has a complex caste system which is officially supported. It has 51 castes.
    N. Korea abandoned Marxism in the 1970s!
    Why the energy embargo won’t hurt the North much (they have plenty of coal)
    A look inside a typical Korean apartment.
    Government decisions are made collectively – it is not an autocracy headed by Kim.
    Government and army extremely rational in their behavior.
    A very tough, united people prepared to fight for their lives. No 5th column. People trained for nuclear war, not intimidated by it.
    N. Korea has diplomatic relations with 161 nations, but not with US.
    N. Koreans are ready to fight, and not afraid of war. Impossible to bring this proud people to their knees.

  4. Kya says:

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    Asked if India will also increase the range of the Agni-V missile, which can reach targets as far Beijing with a range of over 5,000 km, Christopher denied it.

    “We may not do it because it can antagonise someone,” he said without naming any country.
    What he deliberately did not mention was that someone was none other than usa and UK. So called freind friend and new ally of India the allies who unlike Russia always hindered Indian military capability.

    This is the level of Indian impotency before The angkoanericans.
    India can openly aggravate China by saying that her missile is being specific to hit and attack Bejing and shangai but can not increase missile range for fear of west.

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    In an effort to move closer to the U.S., the Vajpayee government had considered sending troops to Iraq in 2003, but aborted the move after domestic opposition. that is Iraq which was a secular state and the most friendly state in middle east towards India was betrayed by Indians at the smallest bribery of west to change sides .
    India is an untrustworthy nation.Full stop.

    Narendra modi now gives bribes to usa in form of immediate decisipn to buy spy infested american junk weaponary costing billions of ò cop routine.

    combat-operations-pentagon-report/ri18562

    combat-operations-pentagon-report/ri18562

    “”””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””” CCCC

    Europe is failing from its own ineptitude
    and the China Russia alliance is convenient and healthy.

    In fact, looking at the whole picture, the USA beat the planet up very successfully and comes out the winner 10 to 1 between 2000 and 2016.

    The issue at stake is that the USA (and to a lesser extent UK, EU, Aus, Jap, Can) survives only by being able to force the planet to trade in dollars, which allows it to issue debt risk free and skim 60+% of world trade through its correspondent and Swift banking system. In 2008 nations that must exchange their real cash and services for that stinking pile of paper started to move away from the dollar. This is what the BRICS etc are about. The USA had to destroy this system rising against it, or die.

    To that end it endeavored to tear up the competition and remain with the dollar on top. In the 15 years since 9/11 the USA has successfully:

    1.destroyed the oil producers that wanted to trade oil in other than the dollar by bombing them into the stone age (Iraq Libya)
    2. torn the heart out of the BRICS
    3. taken over the governments of S America.
    4. Crushed commodities and sunk South africa
    5. Crushed emerging economies by ever strengthening the dollar as it did before in the late 90s
    6. Spread military bases into 46 of 52 African nations.
    7. Ringed the S periphery of Russia and China with long range missiles and drones.
    8. Broken the growing relationship between Eu and Russia by a coup in Ukraine, placing mass military hardware into Eu, continually removing Eu strength with financial and political subterfuge, including Brexit, flooded it with US sponsored migrants
    9. extended NATO right up to the Russian border, including Afghanistan and Kazakhstan
    10. Made merry hell with Russian economic cooperation with the EU
    11. Smashed Syria to pieces and illegally built more military bases inside the country than Russia has, all on oil fields
    12. etc etc etc.

    All of this during the US’s ‘pivot to Russia’. It’s successes were huge, against which the winning of Allepo, Crimea and Donbas by Russia were bold, necessary but minor rear-guard actions that also gave live training to Russian troops and weapons testing.

    What does 2017 bring? The US have achieved nearly everything they wanted from the pivot to Russia. Trumps ‘china bashing’ will do the same: while the world concentrates on a minor spat between China and some regional territory (what do you think the talk of Taiwan, S Korea, etc is about?), instigated and funded by the US, behind the scenes they will rip through the rest of Asia buying up and tearing governments to pieces and planting their military everywhere. And then the scene will be set for the big war.

    Why war? Because interest bearing debt requires an ever-expanding market in order for interest on past debt to be paid. If it fails to aggressively expand into virgin markets and populations (which Ru and China clearly intend to stop), it needs the fog of war to cover the quiet and massive deleveraging of banks and deflation of bubbles. That is why debt is not inherently, but always leads to evil.

    Trump is no friend of anyone. He has just elbowed his family onto the top table. The war he is having with the media is just about getting it in line with his message and loosing off its old alliances

    You will see China and Russia back to back against the militarized vampire that is dollar debt.
    They will continue to prepare for war.
    They will continue to attempt to extinguish the coming fire by trying to shove the world institutions towards a new international currency basket (the SDR).
    The issuers of debt will continue winning until the game is complete or they are all dead.

    The US plan that the next 2-5 years will be as vicious in the Asia area. That is their view 2017 et seq.

    BUT, as Thomas Carlyle wrote in 1893 in ‘French Revolution’

    “Hope ushers in revolution – as earthquakes are proceeded by bright weather”. And Russia has given decent people

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  5. Kya says:

    On a Gandhi jayanti at a city where hydrigen bomb research was done and where yuri gagarin was trained -a forbidden science city at soveit time.

    On Gandhi jayanti.

    One day in a provincial city of Siberia I wanted to see an opera so I asked the hotel reception to book tickets for us for that evening .
    She told me that the opera running in the house _in that week -called “SatyaGraha “- to which I asked if it was about Gandhijee ? She said yes .
    Then later on I saw that in the tv there were showing a programme about Gandhijee. Then I realised that it was Gandhi Birthday and the Russian were remembering him in this way.

    When we reached the opera house it was full and the people were pleasantly surprised to see us as we were the only Indians there except may be one or two others.. One lady told me that I must be knowing my language “Sanskrit “as it is on sanskrit Mantras that the opera is sung .
    When we sat down the girl next to me exclaimed “oh,you are Indians” and stood up to greet us. She introduced us to her boyfreind and then told me that she was in India in this july to bangalore to see the Asram of sri Sai Baba . Later on she told us that she would love to visit “mount Kailash ” because she felt a special vibration of the place on seeing the picture of that mountain. She was only 25yrs old and still with so much spirituality.
    Needless to see , in the whole theatre ,wherever we went ,people would greet us with respect and freindliness .
    Now about the show itself -it was amazing ,really amazing !
    Nothing like that about Gandhijee , we were expecting.it was on a grand scale.
    The musical score,costume,singing,acting and background were all amazing.
    GMdhijee looked the part both as young barristor and as an old man.
    Music was like a mixture of melody with rock show . It was a fabulous show done to honour the Father of Nation of India.

    The next day we met a “Shaman” who when told that we were from India exclaimed about his reverance for the holy land of India and said that the Russians in soviet time especially revered India and considered Indra gandhi as mother India who would take care of her country.He said that he along with many others wept when Indira Gandhi was no more.
    He talked about Hindi cinema etc.but he does not know about the prime minister since rajiv gandhi !

    We do not realise how much soft power and influence India had with a super power soviet union when India was nothing but an object of ridicule by the western angloamericans media.

    • exactly & that is what we need to push forward,to the rest of the world,but also maintain our own POWER ,i mean HARD POWER,if we can create our own indigenous cryogenic engine ,then we can do anything.

      • Kya says:

        That cryogenic engine was created with russian scientist helo _it was nit totalky native.
        Russuans were ready to give croyogenic engine tech in 2992 but america pressed yeltsin not to give that to india.
        Still russuans gave some to indiabs through back chsnnel but amerucan agent mm singh then finance minister let americans know and because of that traitor kutta mm singh a scientist called Nambiee was put in jail for years.

    • and that is why i always say,russians had been giving us the technological edge that we needed,which apart from verbal admirance,these yankees had never given us,these USA & UK CANNOT BE TRUE FRIENDS OF INDIA.

      • Kya says:

        Exactly.
        But traitors in india are more concerned about their kid’s green card and visa to usa than about India.

  6. Kya says:

    IN the whole decade of 80s when usa was using China against russia it was usa and her stooge inside India who were forcing American govt. To be very friendly to China and be distant to Russia; So much so that they forced rajiv Gandhi to accept Tibet as part of China in autumn 1988
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    There was a chairman of Ficci who was also owner of ranbaxy sk.e sikh who was daily ayse americans wanted that way then oromoting in 80s india to be very freindly to china -just because americans want it ! .then in 99s he was telling india to demand goids in hard currency because of rouble devaluation.
    That traitor sardar was also pushing for less military expenditure in india bev

  7. naresh says:

    Novels in press!
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