
[Modi & Trump]
It is a fascinating subject — how leaders take the measure of each other, what happens subsequent to the first few meetings when the impression gets cemented, and how that impacts policy. In one of their first meetings, the wartime US President Franklin Roosevelt, seeking to convey an idea that had occurred to him, barged into the British Prime Minister’s living quarters to discover Winston Churchill standing stark naked in the room. Unruffled, the PM famously drawled “Britain has nothing to hide!” The two leaders got along rather well thereafter!
Nothing as revealing has happened between the Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi and the US President Donald J Trump. But both being, personality-wise, in the same narcissist-autocrat mould — with everything that happens within their governments, and by their governments, being about themselves, may have had mirror impressions of the other.
Very likely, Modi must have been reassured that, unlike the quicker-on-the-ball and more cerebral Barack Obama, who had a Pakistani as his room mate at Columbia University and was familiar with the subcontinental ways — Trump could be pata-oed with a lot of people screaming it up in support, and the colour and the frenzy of a big Indian tamasha. Whence the two big “get to know” PR events in Houston (“Howdy, Modi!” — arranged by the Indian embassy and the Indian NRI community) and in Ahmedabad (“Namaskar, Trump!” — courtesy the Gujarat State and Central governments) would have convinced him of this, especially as Trump, in his first term, wanted to make sure that every noisy American at the Houston circus would convert into a vote for him in the 2020 Presidential elections. Modi, perhaps, calculated that having Trump attend the Ahmedabad do would signal his closeness to Trump, and his ability to get India’s interests realised in the US and the West, and also help him out in the 2024 general elections.
Modi’s belief that he could get what he wanted from the Trump Presidency was, however, misplaced. Indeed, over the past decade, he was able to extract nothing of note from America, even as his government has shaped not just its energy policies around American santions, but India’s relations generally with Russia, and with Iran, while surrendering a great deal of digital sovereignty to boot as well (as revealed in the previous post). But Modi’s flattering of Trump reached its limit when the US President virtually demanded the Indian leader endorse the American’s self-propagated case for the Nobel Peace Prize for terminating Sindoor. Had Modi given in, there was no guarantee Trump’d have kept from hosting Munir and moving the US policy Pakistan-wards. But there was every certainty the Prime Minister would have had the somewhat tenuous credit for Sindoor from being slashed from underneath him providing, at the very least, a lot of campaign fodder to the opposition in the Bihar state elections.
So, it is clear Trump has got most everything he desired from Modi, including huge multi-billion dollar purchases by Delhi of transport aircraft, P-8I maritime recon planes, and vintage M-777 mountain-use light howitzers. And, especially, the “four foundational accords” — the 2016 Logistics Exchange Memorandum of Agreement (LEMOA), the 2018 Communications Compatibility and Security Agreement (COMCASA), the 2019 Industrial Security Agreement (ISA), and the 2020 Basic Exchange and Coooperation Agreement (BECA). India thus placed itself squarely in the crowded American security tent in Asia without obtaining any real security benefits and, worse, shortchanged itself in terms of negotiating leverage. Sharing of spatial digitised data vide BECA has permitted the US, for instance, an entry point into the Indian satellite communications setup, meaning it may have gained for Washington access that can be used, if its interests so dictate, to onpass critical military information to Pakistan, China, any other adversary!
The only thing the Modi regime retained for Delhi was the decision on the logistics support the US forces could avail of, but only on a case-by-case basis, and the level of participation in the military activity of the Quadrilateral of US, Japan, Australia, India. The fact that India had, in fact, got little in return for putting out with so much was evidenced in the tremendous frustration expressed by many who served in the US government about India’s not doing that little bit extra!
Of course, Delhi’s stalling tactics, and unwillingness to engage militarily in Quad Indo-Pacific operations more fully were also because Russia had to be kept in good humour both as arms supplier and as source of critical mil-tech that Washington would not part with, and as counterweight to both America and China. The US understood this as India furthering its traditional balancer role. With the Quad not pulling its weight, the Biden Administration in 2021 announced the formation of AUKUS — Australia, UK, US, an uncomfortable reminder to the peoples of the Indo-Pacific of an old world Anglo-saxon confederacy.
Now, let’s view this picture from the American angle.
Trump is a professional New York city schmoozer — who cultivated pals everywhere — no knowing when someone might be of use! — to advance his family-commercial-real estate interests. As President in his second term, he has only become more brazen in exploiting his position, leaving no opportunity unexploited to increase his personal and family wealth. This was the reason why Trump cottonned on to Asif Munir, who promised to lay Pakistan at Trump’s feet to use as he saw fit. Islamabad facilitated a crypto currency base in the country — a move to personally enrich Trump, who has invested hugely in it, and offered concessions to US mining companies to extract whatever minerals they can find in the country. And he hinted, after his 2nd White House lunch and meeting with Trump of Pakistan’s pleasure in playing the Central Asia frontier policeman and outpost for America and Western interests, and assist in curtailing China in the region. And Pakistan’s history of having its generals in the US pocket and, more formally, as a longtime American client state quickly cemented the new deal. The US has enough of a hold on the Pakistan establishment and armed forces — as it has, to be fair, on the senior-most echelons of the Indian bureaucracy, MEA, and military (with liberal entry visa/green card issuals for progeny, as well), to ensure this.
Modi was a less known commodity to Trump, but the deals he secured from the Indian PM without parting with much in exchange was because Modi wore his admiration of America and American life too much on his sleeve not to have his American counterpart exploit it to the fullest, which Trump did. All it required was for Trump to pay Modi attention, talk up their supposed “friendship” and, from the other end of his mouth, skewer the Indian Prime Minister with his insistence that it was he who stopped Op Sindoor cold, and in his latest pronouncement, that 8 aircraft were shot down in the 3-day fracas — the tally of Indian losses apparently going up everytime Trump opens his mouth! It is, in fact, Trump turning Modi’s trademark hugs and embraces inside out to string Modi along, even as he plays kitty-ball with Munir, letting slip a reference about Pakistan conducting “nuclear testing” aimed at simultaneously unsettling India and pumping up Islamabad.
What could be plainer? Well, the Panchtantra tales has precisely such cautionary story — recall the one about the monkey inserting itself between two cats squabling over a pat of butter only to have the ape, doling out a “balanced” share of the goody to each, which involved, it first divying up the butter and, in the process of balancing, taking a little from the portion of one cat and then from that of the other cat until the monkey consumed all of it! Same monkey business here, once again, which, as on earlier occasions, has ended up equating/hyphenating India and Pakistan, cutting Modi and India to Pakistan’s size and proportionately elevating Munir and Pakistan!!!
The Modi government has not learned anything after repeated humiliations heaped on the Prime Minister and insults to India. Now the Trump Administration is dangling a US presidential visit to keep Delhi on the hook. Not sure why such visits are so prized by the Indian government and why Indians generally so desire to please the US and the West, and are prepared to suffer no end of indignity, and to jump through all kinds of hoops.
The irony is that while Munir and Islamabad are entirely aware that whatever the cost to the country of playing up to Trump and the US, the benefit to Pakistan is in the deliverables by way of military assistance — especially crucial tactical military intelligence feeds in realtime that have made a difference in the past, Modi and New Delhi have deluded themselves into believing, evidence to the contrary notwithstanding, that it is they who are in the driver’s seat, and able to get more out of continuing to be nice to Washington!
The question to ponder is whether there’s a point in the bilateral relations beyond which the Modi regime will not allow itself to be pushed, and won’t budge? There seems to be no such point — to wit, the Free Trade Agreement being negotiated which, reportedly, has all sorts of giveaways and concessions to America. Except, there is a worrying trend for Modi, who has invested so much political capital to stay on the right side of Washington. One of the main pillars of his US policy — Indians and the NRI community in America cultivated as potential South Asia policy influencers, are under assault from Trump’s MAGA (Make America Great Again) support base what with the techie flow channel (higher education visa = green card, Indian IT techie posting = green card) being shut down, is crumbling right before our eyes.

@BharatKarnad
Professor a little bit offtopic but please
Multiple powerfull explosion supposedly from IEDs reported in delhi. Just in front of red fort. More then dozen casualties reported.
https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/delhi-lal-quila-metro-station-explosion-in-parked-car-near-red-fort-live-updates/article70263264.ece
Last time fidayeens attempted something like this in 2000. And today itself 350Kg of explosives were confiscated from south of delhi in faridabad town.
What’s going on professor according to you?
This seems like a total mess
Is this nation headed for a civil war. I remember your lines when you said that partition is good thing that happened had it not happened and had we have more of them inside india it would have been the recipe of civil war.
It brings to the fore the debate at time of Partition when Babasaheb Ambedkar demanded a complete exchange of populations, and was overruled by Nehru who sought to retain the composite Indian culture, etc.. Nehru’s position was supported by Jinnah, who mooted the mutual hostage theory about the minority populations residing in the areas carved out as India and Pakistan remaining where they resided — their health and wellbeing on one side being guaranteed by the same on the other side. Except, the religious “cleansing” by forced conversion, etc. pretty much eliminated the Hindu and other minorities in Pakistan even as Muslims have steadily grown as portion of this country’s population — with voices being heard about a new partition.
@MrKarnad Could today evening’s blast [blast is not my word, but the word used by PM Modi in his X post] in New Delhi be a kind of a retaliatory terror attack by Pakistan due to the breakdown of talks between Pakistan and Afghanistan Taliban in their ongoing war as a way of perceived support for the Afghanistan Taliban by India?
Could be.
Dr Karnad , Blast near Red Fort more than 10 dead any thoughts ??
https://x.com/Goreunit/status/1987928692639871463
Certainly a IED attack
Checkout this video from the exact moment when it happened
and look at that shockwave
Indians are dehumanized by those racist MAGA supporters and in a way, I’m almost glad, because the sons and daughters of those compromised babus deserve the consequences. They’ve turned India into a client state of America. Our MSMEs were the most affected by that orange man’s tariffs, and in return, our government is allowing OpenAI and Google free access to our data.
What do we get in return? Racism and tariffs.
They need our datasets to train their models, as India has the most diverse data in the world. Yet, we have a habit of giving away all our leverage.Our elites are literal parasites they drain India and nullify all its advantages just to be accepted by the “goras.”
Look like there is no hope India it looks like its on deathbed ready for takeover by Islamist and become like Pakistan/Bangladesh even that will be third world .
It takes hell lot optimism for those msme in India to build business i hope the best for them
Do you think the GOI will again not show spine and instead after striking Pakistan again inform America and Pakistan hoping to get some respect and brownie points from the orange man in The White House?
@ProfessorKarnad Now that yesterday’s blast in New Delhi seems like a terror attack by JeM, though it is yet to be officially confirmed by the concerned authorities, do you think Operation Sindoor 2.0 which might seem like a logical response to this will be a flop show like Operation Sindoor 1.0?
I say flop show, because in my view, the IAF allegedly lost 1 Rafale in Operation Sindoor especially when it was being touted as a Wonder Weapon/Brahma Astra, but seems to have proven to be a Wonder Dud!
I term Operation Sindoor 1.0 anc its possible successor Operation Sindoor 2.0 a flop show because:
Lieutenant-General Rajiv Ghai, the Indian Army DGMO’s statement about having been spoken to brusquely by his Pakistani counterpart, yet the hotline continues to exist.
The GOI like an idiot rushing to inform TACO in The White House as if America is India’s boss and then also informing Pakistan after striking Pakistan.
Finally, India as usual snatching victory from the jaws of defeat and declaring ceasefire just because Pakistan begged for it, instead of going for a fight till the end and a fight to finish and seizing the opportunity and gains realised.
The very unfortunate event in Delhi also present India an opportunity to show teeth , when we are surrounded maybe we should show some aggression like Hayena and maybe hit a few targets at least, this time keeping no communication with the Americans. Lets show Feild Marshel Munir his place. I am sure many in Indian army waiting for one more opportunity.I think showing teeth here we may end up getting upper hand in various deals we make with US.
Don’t you all see that this is a pattern. Terror attack happens, Modi for clout says will take action, fails to deliver. Innocent Hindus die. I mean how come Pak with 400 billion keeps on winning against India 4 trillion. But a 4 trillion dollar India can’t do anything against them or China.
@BharatKarnad
professor i remember in this podcast you told that hamid gul said to you that they have 600 sleeper cells across india and indian government won’t be able to do anything against them
Certainly the recent delhi blast case is also related to these sleeper cell modules. What is worrying is that they were able to bring in explosives so near to a national monument in the capital of the country.
Also consider the massive amount of explosives that were confiscated in faridabad. Reports suggest that the actual target was some high level building or headquaters related to national security.
But what about our sleeper cell networks in pakistan?
We have them.
@BharatKarnad Do you mean to say here that the CIT-X which was created in the past now continues to exist under the Modi Administration in the R&AW?
@BharatKarnad Do you think the blast outside the Islamabad District Court was an immediate and swift retaliatory strike for the Delhi blast carried out at the behest and prodding of the R&AW by the Afghanistan Taliban and the Pakistani Taliban and also a retaliatory strike by both the Taliban due to tensions between Afganistan and Pakistan?
@BharatKarnad Could the blast outside the Islamabad District Court also be India’s New Language of Killing be at work that Praveen Swami mentioned in his The Hindu article with the same title that he wrote when Modi was poised to become the PM for the first time?
Is also the killing of terrorists in Pakistan and POK by unknown/unidentified gunmen also India’s New Language of Killing at work?
one point to add
Some smart ass decided that 12 lakh email address of Indian government should be transferred from NIC, govt entity to private company ZOHO which doesn’t even have basic encryption services to secure the files atleast the comms where closed now they are in open , biggest point is to use zoho , the user has to connect through zscaler which is a California based cybersecurity enterprises not Indian , Thus, successfully all files are in open for americans to go through.
The govt. Motto seems to be to piss against the wind and enjoy the debacle
@BharatKarnad
a really thought provoking and long interview professor karnad
Its really nice that your social media presence is increasing.